Ricky Van Pay is John’s brother. These Van Pay brothers are taking over the world! This is a quote from Ricky’s mentor (I don’t know who this person is but I like how he/she thinks).

“Planting seeds is the first part of authentically planting a church. It is seed time then harvest. Through the eyes of most of the unchurched people the traditional church has absolutely nothing to offer. The goal of planting a church is for people far from God to be drawn into close relationship to Him. The happens when people like you and Amy are willing to do whatever it takes to build authentic relationships and to ‘Be the Church’. This starts by planting God type seeds and leading these friends to a authentic relationship. I want to encourage you to not get sucked into the ‘Doing Church’ thing. It does produce income more quickly because churched people tend to give more readily than the unchurched. The problem is that the appraoch reaches churched people and The issue that I have with many ‘church planters’ is that they seem to be intent upon starting a service - tweaking the programs and calling it an innovative ‘church plant’. I personally get sick to my stomach when I hear these types of approaches. The world needs Jesus not another church.”